Moonrise Eyes ([info]labelle77) wrote,

The MWMF Blogger Trans Women Hitlist, and Wordpress' Refusal to Do Anything About It.

This is a letter I'm going to send off, and link to, and hopefully broadcast in an attempt to get Wordpress to take action to enforce their own Terms of Service.  Please feel free to link, repost, forward, mail and any other spreading of the word you can do.  ♥


While the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival (MWMF) is an event you may or may not usually concern yourself with, I wanted to bring to your attention an appalling violation of trans women’s privacy and safety that is happening in conjunction with the festival right now, and the refusal of blog website Wordpress to take any action to enforce their terms of service and protect a vulnerable population from harassment or worse.
 
I’ve never attended or really even cared about MWMF myself, but was aware from friends who have gone that there has been an ongoing controversy regarding the attendance of trans women. There are many trans women who love to go and bond with other women. There’s also a faction of MWMF attendees that feel the festival should be free of all persons born with penises and open to “womyn born womyn” only.
 
I don’t really want to get into the body-parts-based admission policies of the MWMF, however. What really disgusts me is a blog post related to this topic on the blog GenderTrender. (I'm not publicly linking to it in order to refrain from compromising the privacy of these women further). I find the post hateful in so many ways, the least of which is actually the blogger’s only "womyn-born-womyn" stance on the controversy. No, what is really disgusting is what she feels her opinion entitles her to do.
 
This blog post outs several trans women with both pseudonyms AND legal names, their photos, where they can be found at the festival, and in some cases their profession and employment. Being on this “hitlist” was not consented to by any of them, and it associates them with accusations of volatile behavior that the author has absolutely no proof any of them participated in. The blogger refuses to use female pronouns and asserts that these women, who live in one of the most marginalized segments of our society, are “chest pounding” and trying to assert male privilege in invading a womens’ space – as if women who’ve survived gender dysphoria and live outside of our binary ideas of gender have any male privilege to speak of. I can’t even fathom the kind of vulnerability and violation these women must feel. They’re now at risk for ongoing harassment from MWMF-goers, both online and in person at any future fests, and at risk of harassment and potentially violence from any other hateful person that happens to stumble on that post.
 
The blogger is also putting these people in possible professional peril - at least one woman is listed by both her legal name, profession, and business name AND by the stage name she uses as an actress in (feminist-award-winning, actually) adult films. Suddenly, anyone who googles her in a professional capacity becomes immediately aware of her other work, without any consent from her.
 
I know there are several people, myself included, that reported to Wordpress this gross violation of privacy AND the Wordpress Terms of Service, which states “By making Content available, you represent and warrant that…the Content does not contain threats or incite violence towards individuals or entities, and does not violate the privacy or publicity rights of any third party.” (http://en.wordpress.com/tos/)
 
Everyone who has made a report to Wordpress received a single paragraph canned reply that states:
 
“WordPress.com is in no position to arbitrate disputes or make judgment on such claims. As per http://en.support.wordpress.com/disputes/, please provide us with a Court Order including a court's decision regarding this particular content; if any content is found to be defamatory or illegal by a court of law, it will be removed immediately from our service. Any court order, should you obtain one, must be sent to the following e-mail address:court-orders@wordpress.com
 
Even more than I was outraged at the blogger herself, I’m outraged at Wordpress. Absolutely they have the ability and the RESPONSIBILITY to enforce their terms of service. Absolutely they can tell a blogger she must remove photos used without permission. Absolutely they can insist that a blogger cannot out members of a vulnerable minority without consent. They DO NOT have to wait for a court of law to enforce their own Terms of Service.
 
Because Wordpress seems flatly uninterested in taking any action to protect these women, I thought I’d write to you. A good old-fashioned media shaming campaign might possibly make them take a hard look at their terrible policies of doing absolutely nothing to protect a vulnerable population and shirking their responsibility to ensure that their terms of service are followed..
 
Thank you for your time.

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[info]alexandraerin

September 7 2011, 20:19:36 UTC 8 months ago

Abhorrent. So many self-proclaimed radical feminists seem more interested in recapitulating patriarchy through a new hierarchy with themselves and their list of approved persons and acceptable sexual acts at the top of the heap. Far from even trying to dismantle the Master's house with the Master's tools, they're just trying to move into his house.

Any of the women on the list might have better luck pursuing a DMCA claim, which doesn't (as far as my understanding tells me) require a court order. It would essentially involve claiming copyright on the pictures.

[info]labelle77

September 7 2011, 20:32:48 UTC 8 months ago

Thanks for that info! I'll pass it on.

I agree. So many radical feminists fail to see that their idea of a new order is actually more oppressive than the patriarchy was in the first place.

[info]labelle77

8 months ago

[info]silk_noir

8 months ago

[info]nentuaby

8 months ago

[info]theborogove

September 7 2011, 20:53:47 UTC 8 months ago

I shall spread this around.

[info]blaueteufelin

September 8 2011, 15:53:59 UTC 8 months ago

Passing this on as well.

OT: I love your user pic and have been looking for a good non-binary gender equality symbol - did you make it? Are you ok with others using it, or do you know whether the creator is ok with others using it (with credit, of course)?

[info]theborogove

8 months ago

[info]martina_d

September 7 2011, 21:18:27 UTC 8 months ago

That is appalling and absurd.

[info]divabat

September 8 2011, 03:22:12 UTC 8 months ago

Wordpress.com has always been absolutely unfriendly to customer support, sometimes downright hostile. I've been yelled at by Matt himself just because I asked for the blogs to be printer-friendly (they don't print well). I'm appaled but not surprised that they're pretty much ignoring this. Why the geek world loves them to no end I have no clue.

[info]achinhibitor

September 14 2011, 20:45:27 UTC 8 months ago

Why the geek world loves them to no end I have no clue.

They're free?

[info]divabat

8 months ago

[info]fiction_theory

September 8 2011, 13:08:31 UTC 8 months ago

Definitely going to be posting and linking to this. This is appalling on just about EVERY level from what the MWMF is doing (and not doing), to Wordpress blatantly refusing to protect people even though it straight out, no holds barred VIOLATES their TOS.

I hope that these women who have had their privacy violated stay safe. Please let us know if there is anything we can do for them beyond this.

[info]world_rim_walke

September 8 2011, 13:21:37 UTC 8 months ago

I won't attempt to comment on the gender/sex issue here, but I fully agree that this is an invasion of privacy and WordPress should be enforcing their TOS.

[info]twice_immigrant

September 8 2011, 15:00:09 UTC 8 months ago

Thanks for the heads-up - we'll see about spreading some news from some of the feminist blogs. Not surprised, honestly: the MWMF/second-wave/Janice-Raymond-cult types are fading fast from the world, and in their fade, they're lashing out in every direction, because other feminists have done the bizarre thing of actually accepting other people's lives and choices without judgement, and they can't believe that feminists can't see how awfully important it is to keep out the Wrong Kind of Feminist.

I wish them continued quick fading-to-irrelevance, as they all get old and die without adding a single new adherent.

But until then, let's get some teaspooning done!

[info]autumn59

September 8 2011, 15:19:59 UTC 8 months ago

There's a comment in Wordpress's ...

..."Types Of Blogs" page that addresses this kind of behavior too:

"Personal attack blogs: Blogs with the primary purpose of attacking an individual or group of individuals are not welcome on WordPress.com. We have a particularly low tolerance for anonymous bloggers who make personal attacks without standing by their words with their real name."


I've reported the blog in question to Wordpress myself prior to reading your commentary -- Wordpress seems a little slow to address reports about their attack blogs.

Anonymous

September 8 2011, 15:27:37 UTC 8 months ago

DCMA faster

i'd try getting each of the affected women to file a DMCA cease and desist order for copyright violations, and consider civil suits for defamation of character, libel, and invasion of privacy against the blogger and look into naming WordPress as an accomplice for refusal to honor their own terms of service in this case.

[info]Gemma Seymour

September 8 2011, 22:51:18 UTC 8 months ago

Re: DCMA faster

DMCA is problematic, as they can claim Fair Use of at least some of the pictures. Now, a libel suit, that's a horse of a different color...you can see my response to Cathy Brennan's comment on my blog about the issue.

A very heartfelt thanks to everyone who has my back in this fight.

[info]nmbr6

8 months ago

[info]pingback_bot

September 8 2011, 18:50:19 UTC 8 months ago

Wordpress allows harrassment of trans women who dare to attend the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival

User [info]haddayr referenced to your post from Wordpress allows harrassment of trans women who dare to attend the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival saying: [...] http://labelle77.livejournal.com/334001.html [...]

[info]secondsilk

September 8 2011, 22:27:33 UTC 8 months ago

I'm appalled by the whole thing, but not least the idea that a post like that is the way to deal with it. Shockingly awful dehumanization of transwomen.

I wanted to pick on where you said:
as if people who’ve survived gender dysphoria and live outside of our binary ideas of gender have any male privilege to speak of.
because transmen have male privilege. We don't have the same access to it as cis men because we lack cis privilege, but its definitely there.

[info]pingback_bot

September 9 2011, 00:36:46 UTC 8 months ago

And I thought MWMF couldn't get any worse...

User [info]bcholmes referenced to your post from And I thought MWMF couldn't get any worse... saying: [...] — "The MWMF Blogger Transwoman Hitlist, and Wordpress' Refusal to Do Anything About It." [...]

[info]delladea.dreamwidth.org

September 9 2011, 02:53:00 UTC 8 months ago

(found your post via Twitter)

I cannot speak for transwomen, but I find this whole situation absolutely disgusting. Signal boosted on Dreamwidth.

Anonymous

September 9 2011, 06:34:35 UTC 8 months ago

Someone needs to find out who 'Gallusmag' is an out HER to the entire internet.
I'll be happy to post the information everywhere I can, should this info come to light.

~Hormonal Trans Rex.

[info]pingback_bot

September 9 2011, 11:01:42 UTC 8 months ago

Shit.

User [info]fierceawakening referenced to your post from Shit. saying: [...] Signal boosting. [...]

[info]the_siobhan

September 9 2011, 15:09:12 UTC 8 months ago

I filled in an abuse report to Wordpress. It might have an impact if a lot of people do the same; often companies will yank content if they decide that there are enough complaints just because it's the easiest way for them to deal with a problem.

Obviously that won't fix the root problem, but if we can just get the post taken down it might be the fastest way to protect the women who are being singled out.

[info]sevoo

September 9 2011, 18:23:50 UTC 8 months ago

I'll certainly be sending a note to Wordpress, but as I'm skeptical they'll listen, I have to ask: Is there some way we can set up a legal fund to get these women the court order Wordpress seems to think they need? I don't have the know-how or the spoons to make that happen but I would *totally* donate enthusiastically to it.

[info]pingback_bot

September 9 2011, 18:55:01 UTC 8 months ago

Signal Boost: Michigan Womyn's Music Festival blogger has a 'hitlist' of trans women

User [info]sevoo referenced to your post from Signal Boost: Michigan Womyn's Music Festival blogger has a 'hitlist' of trans women saying: [...] labelle77 [...]

[info]zellieh

September 9 2011, 23:15:19 UTC 8 months ago

I haven't looked at the original outing post, but if any of these women hold citizenship for European countries in the European Union, they might be able to threaten to use EU law; trans people's rights are protected under EU Human Rights law.

[info]x_mass

September 10 2011, 00:06:44 UTC 8 months ago

I'm sorry but if people are going around wearing a T-shirts saying trans women should be at Michigan this is a pretty effective way of drawing attention to yourself. If you want to be stealth then be stealth, if you want to be loud be loud but don't claim that someone who is being loud is being de-stealthed/outed when she is apparently being loud already. And yes she might be cis wearing teh T-shirt but if your cis and you wear the T-shirt you shouldn't be suprised if people think your transexual.

Btw I would be really pissed off at you if you claimed I was stealth or closeted because I am neither, and if someone decides to loud me then that's life, its the price I pay for not wanting to lie.

Also of your pre-surgery and you use a public space naked and someone walks in then you have effectively gone loud no matter what your position is about being stealth/woodworking. Do I wish the world was different -yes, but right now it isn't

If your at an event that allows people to take pictures of you then you run the risk of having that data placed on websites and information about you whether true or false put there. The solution is in the US a DMCA take down notice since they are using those images without permission and wordpress will have to respond to that. Do I like things being like that - no

I think the woman who writes the blog is utterly wrong is so many ways but that's the internet, I would rather she had the freedom to post than risk censorship, What this blog and the reposts have done is giver oxygen. Its like posting samizdat if you post it in a public square lots can read it, if you post it on your back wall or in your front room - rather less

[info]labelle77

September 10 2011, 00:11:41 UTC 8 months ago

She didn't take the photos at fest. The photos of the persons involved were personal photos taken from other websites, I presume.

There is NO PROOF that any of the particular women named on the blog were any of the people involved in the supposed shenanigans or wearing any particular shirt. She's just outing trans women she happens to have heard attended. One of the women supposedly "seen" says that she has actually never set foot inside the fest itself, so.

Even if some of these women are fairly open about their gender status in real life, it is still not ok to post this publicly without consent, it's VERY not ok to do so in a tone that encourages their harrassment, it's VERY not ok to accuse them by association of destructive behavior that the author has no proof they were involved in, and it's VERY VERY not ok to link stage names with legal names with occupations and put someone's livelihood in jeopardy.

[info]x_mass

8 months ago

[info]anivad

8 months ago

[info]x_mass

8 months ago

[info]adissonlee

September 10 2011, 17:52:56 UTC 8 months ago

Wordpress is notoriously handsoff about this sort of stuff. There are several trans* hate blogs on wordpress that pull this sort of bullshittery and without a Court Order, Wordpress refuses to take any action.

Anonymous

September 12 2011, 10:29:49 UTC 8 months ago

thats so crap

I'm an anarcha-feminist trans boi, was a queer butch grrl for a long time. Re: womyn born womyn stuff, FFS its not about gender its about gendered privilege. Trans people don't get gendered privilege. Womyn born womyn get cis-gendered privilege... no one questions their gender. If this were a post saying where vulnerable kids were or something it'd be taken down in an instant right? What can we do about this?

[info]kittyburger

September 13 2011, 01:04:16 UTC 8 months ago

Gallus Mag's intention is starting to come true - one of the women named on her hit list is losing her job.

[info]gender_euphoric

September 13 2011, 05:55:28 UTC 8 months ago

we need to fundraise and support any of the named women who want to pursue a lawsuit.

[info]achinhibitor

September 14 2011, 20:52:18 UTC 8 months ago

Yes, it seems that this would be the effective support -- actually sue for invasion of privacy. It's probably not as expensive as you think. The resulting court order would get Wordpress to move. And it would get whoever it is that made the original post to stop doing that sort of thing.

On a larger scale, Wordpress doesn't seem to be interested in policing their playground, and it doesn't seem like they have undertaken any obligation to do so. They may have "terms of service", but they seem to be written around what Wordpress can do to you, not what you can demand from Wordpress.

On an even larger scale, people tend not to realize how little others are obligated to protect your well-being, and how little they are interested in doing so.

[info]tastyanagram

8 months ago

[info]tastyanagram

September 16 2011, 04:47:42 UTC 8 months ago

To the OP: forgive me if I'm missing this because I'm tired, but where are you sending this letter to? I'd like to pass it on or one of my own to anywhere I can think of.
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